I am still a firm believer in wireless HMD’s with head tracking. this is the most accurate aiming you could get while remaining in control 100% of the time.

Playing FEAR 2 the other day, I was reminded how far I had come with my command of a dualshock when my girlfriend experienced the same motion sickness that she did with keyboard mouse. control is not the issue, it’s purely a question of playtime and experience.

there is also an important benefit to using a controller with analogue sticks which you have overlooked, that is picking up the mouse and moving it across the mousepad.

this is seconds of time you could have been actively controlling, and as a tablet user who uses absolute mode, this is needlessly laborious and can cost you a game when you are left scrambling to control your mouse while your controller based enemy remains constantly in control.

What in the world does fluid movement have to do with anything? Be as fluid as you want but when I see you your dead.

Btw I was only a console gamer up until two years ago so I know how to use a controller very well. And I know for a fact that a m/k is better than a controller.

I played one of those James Bond games on the Wii not too long ago, and that was pretty fun. It would be really cool if they could make an accurate gun-like controller where you could aim it with real “iron sights.” Might save me some money on target rounds

I used to play with this older guy raised on Doom, that used to play UT with only they keyboard (no mouse). Surprisingly, he wasn’t too bad. I don’t know how he did it, lol. He played more tactically instead of relying on pure speed and reaction time. Of course, he would’ve been considered a “camper” if he played online.

Now..since my bro plays PES 2010 i used his controller to try out Halo on it.
Guess what?
I, CAN’T, KILL, A, GRUNT.
It was so painful to pas the 1st level, PillOfAutumn.
However, before that, about a year ago, my bro brought a PS2 from his friend.
He also brought a bout 10 games.
I tried a FPS(forgot which one, was a CoD one), same shit happened.
Then, i tried something else, God of War, and God of War II, a 3rd person hack ‘n slash.
Guess what?
FUCKING OWNT EVERYTHING!!!
It was so easy, I forgot about the PC xD
I was sad when he had to bring it back tho…
Don’t wanna buy one, gonna buy a PS3 soon, i hope
Yeah, it was different platforms, but i used a controller on both.
What i wanna say FPS is simply better on PC, howerver, games like God of War, or God of War II, I’d say the are better for Consoles.
Also PES is for a controller, no use playing it with a keyboard and mouse.

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If someone sneaks up behind you on a console, you’re just dead. You can’t spin around fast enough, the controls don’t permit it. At least not on any PS3 FPS I’ve played, or Xbox 360 FPS. With a keyboard/mouse combo, the mouse permits ultra fast movement (based on how you set your sensitivity anyway). You can spin circles WAY faster with a mouse than you can with a console controller thumb stick. That’s just fact (at this point in time) and I prefer it.

That being said I enjoy the PS3 because it’s cheaper than a gaming PC and runs stuff great. So I try to get along with the controller. My day would be MADE if they let you use usb mouse and keyboard on a PS3 though. I would always buy FPS on a PS3 if that happened. I beg the console gaming industry to make it so that folks can choose the controller they want, keyboard/mouse or the regular console controller. Partner up with Razer or something and just do it already!

Consoles are limited in chat methods also. While voice is becoming popular, I still prefer typing sometimes. Just my preference. I don’t care about hearing a bunch of folks over my game noise.

The result. Lots of whiny PSX players crying foul because their were getting demolished in the worst way. Why do you think these networks are kept separate. Don’t delude yourself into thinking there is a remote chance that controllers could beat out the keyboard mouse when all other factors are the same.

FPS’s are ABOUT accuracy. The guy who posted before me must dance around right before he gets sniped. Well atleast you had great movement while you were spraying bullets into the sky. Right? Get real.

A M&K player would own you, mouse is not “may be more accurate”, IT IS MORE ACCURATE, as gaming mice develop, they are getting more accurate with more buttons them to do a multitude of other things.

Couple your mouse with one of these: http://www.comptorg.com.ua/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/belkin_n52te_news.jpg

Goodbye Controller player, you’re dead.

Mouse and keyboard is better by FAR. Hence the reason that some games that allow PC players to go up against 360 players actually make the targeting harder for PC players and give a “lock-on” effect for the 360 players just to even out the playing field. If you openly admit that a mouse and keyboard would give you the advantage (like I THINK Spleen has been trying to do in his posts) then yes I fully agree, and thats the reason that using a mouse and keyboard is better, because you can play to your maximum capability.

Lets remember, the crosshair on your FPS moves DIRECTLY in relation to where you move your hand, exactly what you need for a shooting game. Lets say I wanted to spin my character 90 degrees to the left to shoot an enemy, it just takes a short movement of my mouse to the left to do this. On a pad, you have to hold an analogue stick to the left position, wait for your character to rotate the amount of degrees you desire, and then leave go of the analogue stick. that method if aiming is FAR shitter than using a mouse.

With regards to the argument of a cursor being used for a flat screen, yes that is true, and the reason Pico’s argument about the keyboard being used to navigate through the other axis was misunderstood is because it is difficult to fully explain but I’ll try and make it simpler.

The easiest way to think of it in an FPS game, is that your cursor does not move a single degree, in fact it remains in the centre at all times. What you’re actually doing is controlling a static items viewpoint within a fully three dimensional virtual environment. What the arrows on the keyboard do is allow that item to move within that environment in a direction that depends on what your character’s viewpoint is at the time. Now compared to a pad, lets say the left stick is for movement (equivalent to keyboard) and the right stick is for aiming (equivalent to mouse), the control system still has to be used in the same way as the keyboard and mouse, each stick can only be used for the SAME puspose. The ONLY advantage I could think of is that the movement stick could be pressure sensitive therefore controlling the movement speed of your character rather than just the set running speed of pressing the “w” key on the keyboard. The only way this could ever be matched is if pressure sensitive keys for a keyboard were made, however, this makes no difference anyway because the aiming accuracy of a mouse outweighs that by about a trillion?

Lets say you’re aiming a real gun, where you aim the gun is directly related to your own movement and ability to aim. Using a mouse to aim is the only thing that can come close to this. Holding something down until a crosshair finally meets its target and then having to leave go so the cross hair stops is nothing like aiming.

There’s no other easier way I have of explaining this, sorry about the long post.

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I recently got a ps3 and finnaly decided to buy an fps (resistance 2) i had tried them before on friend’s consoles but reserved judgment until i had time to get used to it.

if that guy who keeps talking about quake remembers the patch in quake2 that gave us freeaim he would know it also took some time to get used to the mouse coming back from only keyboard.

my veredict, the move from keyboard to keyboard/mouse took time but proved to be better in every way
keyboard/mouse to controller.

well it’s the only way to play some of the best story driven fps being made lately, and i can trade accuracy and speed for the confort of playing in a couch instead of hunched behind a desk all night long,

still no console game will ever get you the adrenaline rush you get from an 1on1 in quake3 with headphones roaming the map and keeping an eye on the timer for the next red armor spawn railgunning someone behind you mid air and still air strafe to the nearest platform..

Sorry for the above

The very small amount lost is due to consoles having auto-aim.
Lose the auto-aim and use a controller and you wont hit with anything that requires any persicion, atleast in a meaningful amount of time.
(okay, haven’t played the game, so if it doesn’t have -any- auto-aim, then “very challenging” would be “cakewalk” on a mouse)

Lots of people get hung out on keyboards when talking “mouse & keyboard vs controller” which is not the point, Mouse is the part that makes the combo superior.

While in UT for example a gamepad user might be good enough in a rocket arena match even if he didn’t have auto aim, speed and accuracy of a mouse would smoke him in an insta-gib match.

Another trick you can’t do with a controller is running in a corridor with someone behind you, jump, turn 180, throw a grenade/rocket/whatever, turn 180, hit the ground and keep running without missing a step.
Best i’ve managed (or seen) so far on a console game is: jump, do ~130, run into wall, get fragged.

Controllers are okay for fps, but they need auto-aim to balance for the inherent issues with aiming to be comparable with mouse, and then you’re not the one doing the aiming and can’t exactly boast about how accurate you are. (Not to mention you’re still dealing with the issue of turning speed)

To summarize: You wanna play with auto-aim and you don’t worry about turning fast, controllers or mouse will work just fine. If you want to play without auto-aim, with the players doing the aiming instead of the software (and i’m talking -no- auto-aim, not the “almost not auto-aim” that some games have on the hardest settings where you need to aim atleast over the shoulder to hit the head(instead of the ballpark like with easy modes)), you’ll need a mouse to be competitive. (even trackball users admit that mouse is more accurate, though tb is better for looking around)

P.S. Note that i didn’t talk about keyboards, what you have in the other hand is less relevant imho (keyboard vs controller is pretty even, for fps atleast), hell, a mouse + controller combo might be the best setup, except that i don’t think there are all that many controllers with several buttons on the left side.. well, atleast it could work for the lefties

P.P.S. Just realized an easier way to make my point… Would you play an FPS on a keyboard, without a mouse? Ofc not, that’s too 10 years ago. So why would you do it with a controller? (unless you have to ‘cos the game isn’t out on pc) And before you say it, the analog sticks vs buttons isn’t the savior, you still hit the limit that you can only turn as fast as the game lets you, vs the mouse you can do a 720 degree turn in 0.5s if you damn well feel like it

PPPS. One more for the road, I personally don’t have a problem playing fps with a controller(anymore), as long as there’s some auto-aim sweetness, and i’m playing the solo campaign, not aiming in the general direction of other players and pulling the trigger doing headshots,

Do a youtube search for Quake 3 gameplay for the PC, then show me an Xbox game that has AS FAST gameplay. Post a link of it.

My money is on keyboard & mouse if the game used is anything originally developed for the PC

Sure you might sacrifice a very very very small amount of accuracy and aiming time, but thats an excellent trade off for having all the controls mapped out intuitively on the one controller.

I would challenge any keyboard and mouse user to play BFBC for a month or 2 and tell me it isnt better.

I can see the point about having to push the stick in one direction, and having to cross over to the other direction to look the other way. But if you calculated the time it takes, youre moving half an inch, a skilled player could do it in .25 seconds. A pc gamer may do it in .10 seconds. But aiming is aiming. If youre locked on to a target with either a joystick or a mouse, youre going to get killed.

The whole point of having joysticks is the analog movement and analog aiming. Its slower, so that means its easier to fine point aiming for slower movements as with a sniper rifle. I also hate having to use the keyboard. Youll never need that many hotkeys. You may argue that the mouse is better, but the keyboard part is way less intuitive.

I admit i am biased, ive never played much PC FPS’. Ive probably played less than 10 hours of counter strike, since ive recently switched from a pc to a mac. Ive always been a console gamer since doom for SNES and goldeneye for N64. I honestly dont see why you would not play a console FPS. It is way easier to learn than a keyboard. I have a friend who has waited to play call of duty 4 for PC rather than play it on his PS3. The game is still fun. Never refuse to play a game, especially if its exclusive, because its not on a PC. You only need to look at the success of Halo to see that console games are here to stay. I just hope CoD4 becomes the dominant FPS on all platforms, it probably already is. c’mon, no aiming for counter strike?

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Getting Ian Milham to sign the Dead Space artbook was a definite perk of the show for me. (Though I wish I’d been less shy and had peppered the poor man with questions.) Looking forward to this game something fierce.

I CAN’T WAIT FOR OCTOBER.

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